one of the best golfer in history and president barack obama, two black african-american men, at the top of their game, it can't be bad. racism must have gotten better in america for this to be possible. >> yeah, you look at that and you have to say yes, things have gotten better. definitely. but you still have craziness out there. you still have people who are extremely racist, but luckily enough they're broke. you know. really, you look at tt -- you know, they don't have -- even though they try with the money and everything, but it's more about greed as opposed to race, i think. >> the most extraordinary story i was going to ask you about was this michigan nurse suing the hospital she worked at for 25 years because a patient's father asked that no african-american nurse take care of his baby, which is about as pure racism as you can possibly imagine. so it is still there, isn't it? >> totally. but i assume that those people probably don't have a lot of money. really. they would have had private nurses and everything. wouldn't have to go through this. on this issue, you have to blam